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    got pulled over Sunday at Bulga when leaving TuffTrucks, the highway patrol officer said that my spare wheel carrier and gasbottle holder(in particular the gas bottle holder) was not legal, the gas bottle holder is mounted in a way similarto many jerry can holders andI thoughtit would be fine, I was made to remove the bottle from a clamped holder andrope it to my roof rack, seems stupid to me as the holder is much stronger.once the highway patrol officer was finished It was the RMS turn, and they wentover the vehicle and picked me on 33" tyres and the front bar not beingwide enough as a person if hit could go under the wheels and that the bar needsto as wide as the vehicle.
    The RMS inspector said I needed a certificate for the wheel size and the front bar, how do I go about this, I have seen many Jeeps with similar front bars and a lot with larger tyres, I'm not too concerned about the gas bottle holder, just reckon the highway patrol was being a prick.

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    As far as I know gas has to be carried on the roof, or in the tray if you have ute. I don't think it can be carried in a passenger compartment (i.e. inside a wagon) and I believe (happy to be corrected if wrong) that you're not supposed to have it on the back in case of an accident where it would be the first thing to get hit if you were rear ended.
    As an aside I'm not even sure if it's legal to put petrol on the rear bar either for the same reason. Diesel is less flammable so I think that's OK, and may also be allowed in the passenger compartment......though I never would.

    For the front bar, I'm not sure what the ADR's are to be honest but I know you see a lot of folks running stubbies, and not just on Jeeps.
    I've heard some say that the bar has to be wide enough to reach the outside of the wheels. I heard some say that the bar must be as wide as the body of the vehicle, though what is classed as "body" on a wrangler and what is classed as wheel flares would also be open for debate. Not sure which is correct. Does seem silly that tube bars like the XROX would be legal as they do both of these yet the tube that extends to the extremity of the vehicle would certainly not stop anyone from getting dragged under the wheel.

    I did hear someone say that as long as the wheel flares cover the wheel to at least an angle of 30˚ forward of the vertical line though the centre of the wheel then that was legally OK even with a stubby bar. No idea how accurate that is.

    In terms of getting a certificate for the wheel size I'd speak to some of the main accessories suppliers and see what they know, or rather who they know that could help. Not sure if you'd manage to get a certificate for the bumper though.

    Good luck with it.

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    Tuff Truck was always a trap. They are being pricks for the entrapment.

    Here's list of certified engineers

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    Some interesting reading for you... Yes. I've been on Google!

    Bullbars http://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov....tolerances.pdf
    Specifically, AS 3876.1 requires bull bars be designed with a profile that generally conforms to the shape, in plan view, front view and side view, of the front of the vehicle to which it is fitted

    Wheels and tyres (VSI 9) http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/...si-09-rev4.pdf
    The outside diameter of the wheel and tyre combination must be no more than 15mm over the largest diameter
    wheel and tyre combination specified for the vehicle and not more than 15mm below the smallest diameter wheel
    and tyre combination specified for the vehicle.

    Gas Bottles – okay, you’ve beaten me! I cannot find anything relating to where it is LEGAL (or not) to carry fuel of any type outside a vehicle. Lots of “should nots” eg http://www.elgas.com.au/swapngo/bbq-safety-tips but nothing saying you can not!

    If anyone else has a link to a legal document, that would be interesting!

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    Profile doesn't mean the bumper must be full width. They key question is are the ends of the stubby bumper capped or open. And are the ends chamfered or rounded rather than sharp.
    The Rules talk about the bumper not increasing the width of the vehicle, but doesn't meantion it being narrower (that I am aware) The key bit then is compliance to the forward and side tyre coverage rules
    Personally if an inspector said to me the steel bumper needs to be wider to protect MrPedestrian I'd point out that a tyre is FAR softer

    Problem is you have multiple ADR's, VSB's, Policy documents and Aust Standards as all seperate rules and it's not always cut&dry. But the problem is in most cases it's not something you'll win arguing. If they don't like it they ping you anyhow.....

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    If only if it is as easy as Goolging or Binging it then life would be so much simpler.

    How does one put 37s on Wranglers then?

    I agree with Wooders that it's not always cut and dry.

    Why not read the ADRs, VSBs and go see an expert who does this for a living and discuss all the relevant requirements pertaining to your predicament.
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    thanks for the feed back, looking at the links supplied(bull bar/tyres/gas) the bar meets all requirements, it is a winch bar purchased to suit this model, with no sharp edges and having rounded edges, it may be too narrow as the inspector has stated as it is in line with the mud guards, not the flares, being picky I think. I could easily extend the bar by cutting the ends off and adding 100mm inserts and reweld the ends back on.

    with the tyres they are obviously larger than the original tyres but comply with all the requirements as stated belowAdditional requirements for replacement wheels
    When wheels and tyres outside the manufacturers recommended range are fitted to a vehicle the following
    requirements must be met:

    The wheel rim width must not be less than the minimum width fitted by the vehicle manufacturer for the
    particular model.

    The wheel and tyre must be contained within the body work or mudguards (including any flares) when the
    wheels are in the straight ahead position.

    The wheel and tyre must not foul any part of the body or suspension under all operating conditions.

    All wheels and tyres fitted to an axle must be of the same carcass construction, diameter, offset, width and
    mounting configuration (except for spare wheels used in an emergency situation).

    The wheel must not prevent the wheel nuts from fully engaging their studs.

    The wheel rim must not have a circumferential weld other than that which attaches the rim to the wheel
    centre.

    The wheel must be one designed for the particular hub/axle in respect to bolt pitch circle diameter and
    wheel nut tapers. Wheels with slotted stud holes are not permitted.

    Speedometer accuracy must be maintained for the selected tyre and rim combination.

    The fitment of wheel spacers (or adaptors for dual wheel conversions) between the wheel mounting face
    and the road wheel is not permitted unless fitted as original equipment by the vehicle manufacturer.

    the gas bottle storage/transportation doesn't really state you can't put it on the back of the vehicle, as for me I prefer it being there for ease of access, it is mounted on the spare wheel tyre carrier at a height above the tail gate.
    I did try to add pictures/thumbnails, but I can't view them on the site not sure what I'm doing wrong, can anyone see them.

    regards
    Andrew



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    These guys lined up at Tuff Trucks? Geez, talk about PR.

    My suggestion would be to find a TJ specialist to help walk with you through the process. Hopefully they have a certifier they have used before. You may need to swap wheels over to get through.

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    This site cant upload piccies, only links.

    Gas bottles and Fuel cans at the back is dangerous IMHO.

    If you get certified with a particular set of tyres, then it is only certified for that size. It won't be legal to change them to bigger or smaller tyres.

    All the best..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dru View Post
    These guys lined up at Tuff Trucks? Geez, talk about PR.

    My suggestion would be to find a TJ specialist to help walk with you through the process. Hopefully they have a certifier they have used before. You may need to swap wheels over to get through.
    They line up every year, I stopped going once the XJ was questionable So haven't been for years because of this tactic taken by the Police and RTA.

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